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		<title>Comment on Grunig PR Masterclass: Insight into diversity and excellence by Paul Seaman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Seaman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2012 05:49:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In support of my points above - particularly for the Canadians who read this blog - may I recommend the following event:

The Milton K. Wong Lecture is held June 3 at the Chan Centre for the Performing Arts at the University of British Columbia and broadcast nationally on the CBC Radio One Program Ideas as part of Canada’s Multiculturalism Day celebrations. There, Kenan Malik, the guest lecturer, will maintain that  &quot;to defend diversity is not the same as promoting multiculturalism.&quot; And he will argue that rather than the claim that racism and multiculturalism are concepts at opposite ends of a pole: &quot;they are two sides of the same coin.&quot;

http://thelaurier.ca/lectures/2012-ubc-laurier-multiculturalism-lecture

Yes, I say - in contrast to the Grunig husband and wife team - we PRs need to rethink this whole issue of diversity (in the interest of clients and society) if are to break free from the prejudices - about race, religion, gender and sex  - that currently limits our vision.

Moreover, I repeat that we need to put the corporate back in to corporate communications and to root what we communicate and advocate in a coherent - rather than fragmented and divisive - culture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In support of my points above &#8211; particularly for the Canadians who read this blog &#8211; may I recommend the following event:</p>
<p>The Milton K. Wong Lecture is held June 3 at the Chan Centre for the Performing Arts at the University of British Columbia and broadcast nationally on the CBC Radio One Program Ideas as part of Canada’s Multiculturalism Day celebrations. There, Kenan Malik, the guest lecturer, will maintain that  &#8220;to defend diversity is not the same as promoting multiculturalism.&#8221; And he will argue that rather than the claim that racism and multiculturalism are concepts at opposite ends of a pole: &#8220;they are two sides of the same coin.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://thelaurier.ca/lectures/2012-ubc-laurier-multiculturalism-lecture" rel="nofollow">http://thelaurier.ca/lectures/2012-ubc-laurier-multiculturalism-lecture</a></p>
<p>Yes, I say &#8211; in contrast to the Grunig husband and wife team &#8211; we PRs need to rethink this whole issue of diversity (in the interest of clients and society) if are to break free from the prejudices &#8211; about race, religion, gender and sex  &#8211; that currently limits our vision.</p>
<p>Moreover, I repeat that we need to put the corporate back in to corporate communications and to root what we communicate and advocate in a coherent &#8211; rather than fragmented and divisive &#8211; culture.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A private viewing inside the Museum of Public Relations by Donna Cappella</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donna Cappella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2012 00:30:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for responding Judy! Actually I think an interview on both sites would be valuable. I looked at ComPRObiz and I love what it had to say but I&#039;m a great believer in one stop shopping so maybe both places would be valuable. I think EVERYONE would benefit!!! So to recap, the PR Museum should do an interview with both Shelley and Barry and ComPRObiz should post the same interview- not a link! Thanks again Judy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for responding Judy! Actually I think an interview on both sites would be valuable. I looked at ComPRObiz and I love what it had to say but I&#8217;m a great believer in one stop shopping so maybe both places would be valuable. I think EVERYONE would benefit!!! So to recap, the PR Museum should do an interview with both Shelley and Barry and ComPRObiz should post the same interview- not a link! Thanks again Judy.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Grunig PR Masterclass: Insight into diversity and excellence by Paul Seaman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Seaman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 13:27:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On a point of fact - at least as far as my research shows - the author of the essay was correct about Ford and the whiting of faces and its link to Dagenham:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/ford-workers-angry-as-blacks-are-whited-out-1320079.html

&quot;Five members of ethnic minorities were invited to appear in the picture to show the racial mix of Ford&#039;s workforce at Dagenham, but in an &quot;ethnic- cleansed&quot; version of the photograph last year [in Poland], the black and brown faces had been mysteriously replaced by white ones.&quot;

BTW: my grandfather was a leading shop steward at Ford Dagenham and he fought racism at the plant in the 1960s (sometimes in opposition to his own union and a communist party leadership that didn&#039;t like to rock the racist boat....shame on them).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On a point of fact &#8211; at least as far as my research shows &#8211; the author of the essay was correct about Ford and the whiting of faces and its link to Dagenham:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/ford-workers-angry-as-blacks-are-whited-out-1320079.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.independent.co.uk/news/ford-workers-angry-as-blacks-are-whited-out-1320079.html</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Five members of ethnic minorities were invited to appear in the picture to show the racial mix of Ford&#8217;s workforce at Dagenham, but in an &#8220;ethnic- cleansed&#8221; version of the photograph last year [in Poland], the black and brown faces had been mysteriously replaced by white ones.&#8221;</p>
<p>BTW: my grandfather was a leading shop steward at Ford Dagenham and he fought racism at the plant in the 1960s (sometimes in opposition to his own union and a communist party leadership that didn&#8217;t like to rock the racist boat&#8230;.shame on them).</p>
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		<title>Comment on Grunig PR Masterclass: Insight into diversity and excellence by Paul Seaman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Seaman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 11:37:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heather, a corporate identity is a bit like a school uniform - it represents common values and a collective identity; its intended purpose is precisely to confer a form of equality on all its wearers that transcends individuality. The main problem within corporations - the source of much malfeasance - has been that firms have failed dismally to develop strong and clear identities and values that express how they want to behave and what they actually want to be known for. 

I contend that Grunig&#039;s  - and I guess your - approach undermines the collegiate identity and reinforces - special pleading - fragmentation. It is therefore not helpful.

Moreover, even when ill-defined, the collective corporate interest always lurks there anyway ... as anybody who attempts to speak on the behalf of a corporation without permission in derogatory terms on SM or other media normally discovers to their cost. 

I add that the obsession with identity politics and respect for individuality that Jim Grunig advocates represents a surrender of corporate leadership (vision) to instrumentalist short-term objectives. 

Put another way: all the talk about treating people as individuals with different identities is constantly contradicted by lived experience of employees based on the realities and necessities of the corporate existence. Whenever that contradiction is exposed - as it continually is by events - it breeds unnecessary cynicism and division and undermines trust. (Yes, I say we&#039;ve been shooting our clients in the foot by undermining rather than building consistent/robust identities people can put their trust in).

Moreover, I maintain that defining people by race, sex, class, nationality and religion is precisely what we all - at least me - struggled against when we fought racism and sexism (with great success) back in the Seventies and Eighties. In other words, I say people are indeed much more interesting and diverse than can be captured by box-ticking fixed categories. 

In short, my key point in opposition to yours is that corporate PR needs to be more corporate (more collegiate), not more individualized and fragmented.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heather, a corporate identity is a bit like a school uniform &#8211; it represents common values and a collective identity; its intended purpose is precisely to confer a form of equality on all its wearers that transcends individuality. The main problem within corporations &#8211; the source of much malfeasance &#8211; has been that firms have failed dismally to develop strong and clear identities and values that express how they want to behave and what they actually want to be known for. </p>
<p>I contend that Grunig&#8217;s  &#8211; and I guess your &#8211; approach undermines the collegiate identity and reinforces &#8211; special pleading &#8211; fragmentation. It is therefore not helpful.</p>
<p>Moreover, even when ill-defined, the collective corporate interest always lurks there anyway &#8230; as anybody who attempts to speak on the behalf of a corporation without permission in derogatory terms on SM or other media normally discovers to their cost. </p>
<p>I add that the obsession with identity politics and respect for individuality that Jim Grunig advocates represents a surrender of corporate leadership (vision) to instrumentalist short-term objectives. </p>
<p>Put another way: all the talk about treating people as individuals with different identities is constantly contradicted by lived experience of employees based on the realities and necessities of the corporate existence. Whenever that contradiction is exposed &#8211; as it continually is by events &#8211; it breeds unnecessary cynicism and division and undermines trust. (Yes, I say we&#8217;ve been shooting our clients in the foot by undermining rather than building consistent/robust identities people can put their trust in).</p>
<p>Moreover, I maintain that defining people by race, sex, class, nationality and religion is precisely what we all &#8211; at least me &#8211; struggled against when we fought racism and sexism (with great success) back in the Seventies and Eighties. In other words, I say people are indeed much more interesting and diverse than can be captured by box-ticking fixed categories. </p>
<p>In short, my key point in opposition to yours is that corporate PR needs to be more corporate (more collegiate), not more individualized and fragmented.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Grunig PR Masterclass: Insight into diversity and excellence by Heather Yaxley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heather Yaxley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 08:17:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul - as someone who comes from an island of mongrels (Britain) and appears to relish a self-identity as an outsider, it is perhaps surprising that you seem to be dismissing Lauri&#039;s arguments that individuality needs to be acknowledged by organisations rather than reflecting entirely a culture, policies and treatment of everyone as if they reflect the make-up of the dominant norm (primarily white, middle-class men!).  Your link indeed, reflects exactly what Jim speaks about in respect of the messaging approach to PR, whereby the word diversity has been used not to reduce prejudice but to create, what I might call a promotional industry, around the concept.  That articles simplification of the situation in Ford would also, I would have thought, resonate with your experiences of the Dagenham area of London.  He misrepresents the &#039;head-changing&#039; incident (which took place in Poland) and how the focus on diversity in the company was more a matter of issues at Dagenham.  I was working with Ford at that time and it did reflect a dominant, white male culture in the head office which arguably did not help the organisation in terms of maximising the talent of its employees, not identifying with its diverse customer base.  But the bigger issue of racism - and lack of appreciation of diversity - was ironically at the car plant where there were various cultures that did not wish to acknowledge the diversity of others.  From a motor industry perspective, Ford was not alone.  In my career, it was common for women who visited car plants to be greeted by men making monkey noises until the Japanese car factories opened and changed the culture.  Likewise, the industrial relations of the past rarely reflected anything that could be called dialogic communications, in stark contrast to the recent successful discussions at GM in Ellesmere Port.  

Although i would not describe myself as a Grunigian by any means, I certainly do not dismiss either the merits of the points Jim argues in the video.  Likewise, I wouldn&#039;t dismiss Lauri&#039;s well reasoned and considered arguments in favour of organisations recognising the value of PR (i.e. not discriminating against it as a largely female occupation) as well as maximising talent whatever shape, age, colour or creed that comes in.  Although in saying that, of course, at PR Conversations, we respect the right of out readers (even white, middle aged, middle class ones living in Switzerland) to express their individual perspective :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul &#8211; as someone who comes from an island of mongrels (Britain) and appears to relish a self-identity as an outsider, it is perhaps surprising that you seem to be dismissing Lauri&#8217;s arguments that individuality needs to be acknowledged by organisations rather than reflecting entirely a culture, policies and treatment of everyone as if they reflect the make-up of the dominant norm (primarily white, middle-class men!).  Your link indeed, reflects exactly what Jim speaks about in respect of the messaging approach to PR, whereby the word diversity has been used not to reduce prejudice but to create, what I might call a promotional industry, around the concept.  That articles simplification of the situation in Ford would also, I would have thought, resonate with your experiences of the Dagenham area of London.  He misrepresents the &#8216;head-changing&#8217; incident (which took place in Poland) and how the focus on diversity in the company was more a matter of issues at Dagenham.  I was working with Ford at that time and it did reflect a dominant, white male culture in the head office which arguably did not help the organisation in terms of maximising the talent of its employees, not identifying with its diverse customer base.  But the bigger issue of racism &#8211; and lack of appreciation of diversity &#8211; was ironically at the car plant where there were various cultures that did not wish to acknowledge the diversity of others.  From a motor industry perspective, Ford was not alone.  In my career, it was common for women who visited car plants to be greeted by men making monkey noises until the Japanese car factories opened and changed the culture.  Likewise, the industrial relations of the past rarely reflected anything that could be called dialogic communications, in stark contrast to the recent successful discussions at GM in Ellesmere Port.  </p>
<p>Although i would not describe myself as a Grunigian by any means, I certainly do not dismiss either the merits of the points Jim argues in the video.  Likewise, I wouldn&#8217;t dismiss Lauri&#8217;s well reasoned and considered arguments in favour of organisations recognising the value of PR (i.e. not discriminating against it as a largely female occupation) as well as maximising talent whatever shape, age, colour or creed that comes in.  Although in saying that, of course, at PR Conversations, we respect the right of out readers (even white, middle aged, middle class ones living in Switzerland) to express their individual perspective <img src='http://www.prconversations.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on A private viewing inside the Museum of Public Relations by Judy Gombita</title>
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		<dc:creator>Judy Gombita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 14:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting suggestion, Donna. Do you mean an interview with Shelley Spector here on PR Conversations or on (Barry and) Shelley Spector&#039;s PR Museum site?

By the way, you may be interested in checking out this resource being built (i.e., constantly updated) by Brian Pittman on ComPRObiz:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.commpro.biz/public-relations/what-is-public-relations/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;What Is Public Relations? Common Definitions and Resources on PR for Business&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

(Of course we are pleased to see PR Conversations featured there!)

And you might want to suggest, in the comments, that the PR Museum be included and/or that ComPRObiz consider interviewing Shelley.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting suggestion, Donna. Do you mean an interview with Shelley Spector here on PR Conversations or on (Barry and) Shelley Spector&#8217;s PR Museum site?</p>
<p>By the way, you may be interested in checking out this resource being built (i.e., constantly updated) by Brian Pittman on ComPRObiz:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.commpro.biz/public-relations/what-is-public-relations/" rel="nofollow"><strong>What Is Public Relations? Common Definitions and Resources on PR for Business</strong></a></p>
<p>(Of course we are pleased to see PR Conversations featured there!)</p>
<p>And you might want to suggest, in the comments, that the PR Museum be included and/or that ComPRObiz consider interviewing Shelley.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Grunig PR Masterclass: Insight into diversity and excellence by Paul Seaman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Seaman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 12:53:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For all those who think diversity is the new motherhood and apple pie, or suspect diversity is this year&#039;s misguided prejudice, here&#039;s a refreshing alternative viewpoint on &quot;the dirty d-word&quot;:

http://www.kenanmalik.com/essays/diversity_guardian.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For all those who think diversity is the new motherhood and apple pie, or suspect diversity is this year&#8217;s misguided prejudice, here&#8217;s a refreshing alternative viewpoint on &#8220;the dirty d-word&#8221;:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.kenanmalik.com/essays/diversity_guardian.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.kenanmalik.com/essays/diversity_guardian.html</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on A private viewing inside the Museum of Public Relations by Donna Cappella</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donna Cappella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 00:15:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not a PR executive but I understand and appreciate the importance and value of communication. Perhaps the general public would benefit from an interview with Shelley about &quot;What is PR?&quot;and some its best practices- and all PR people know what these are! And when PR goes wrong too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not a PR executive but I understand and appreciate the importance and value of communication. Perhaps the general public would benefit from an interview with Shelley about &#8220;What is PR?&#8221;and some its best practices- and all PR people know what these are! And when PR goes wrong too.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Grunig Masterclass: Insight into diversity and excellence : PR CONVERSATIONS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2012 08:54:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] here and we thank them for this. If you would like to know more about the PR Museum, you can read a fascinating interview with Shelley on its past, present and future published on PR Conversations last year &#8211; or [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] here and we thank them for this. If you would like to know more about the PR Museum, you can read a fascinating interview with Shelley on its past, present and future published on PR Conversations last year &#8211; or [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Engaging (and grilling) the social side of James Grunig by Grunig Masterclass: Insight into diversity and excellence : PR CONVERSATIONS</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grunig Masterclass: Insight into diversity and excellence : PR CONVERSATIONS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2012 08:51:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] few years ago, PR Conversations published a collective interview with James Grunig, but we have so far referred to Larissa Grunig only in passing. This is a mistake [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] few years ago, PR Conversations published a collective interview with James Grunig, but we have so far referred to Larissa Grunig only in passing. This is a mistake [...]</p>
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