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		<title>Comment on Berlusconi has begun to rationalise and theorise his &#8216;cucku&#8217; model of public relations by toni muzi falconi</title>
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		<dc:creator>toni muzi falconi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Sep 2010 13:07:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You might be right. I had studied Cool Britannia years ago, had read all the negative books about this that never convinced me. I am also an old admirer of Mandelson, ever since he was only a pr practitioner, and fascinated by the excalibur program he had developed for Clinton way back then.

Often I loose detachment in exchange of an irresistable attraction to evil... which sort of  sums up my present atitude towards B&amp;B (bliar and berlusconi).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You might be right. I had studied Cool Britannia years ago, had read all the negative books about this that never convinced me. I am also an old admirer of Mandelson, ever since he was only a pr practitioner, and fascinated by the excalibur program he had developed for Clinton way back then.</p>
<p>Often I loose detachment in exchange of an irresistable attraction to evil&#8230; which sort of  sums up my present atitude towards B&amp;B (bliar and berlusconi).</p>
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		<title>Comment on Time for the truth about journalism by Heather Yaxley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heather Yaxley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Sep 2010 12:59:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don - interesting observation about the subjectivity of &quot;quality&quot;.  My use of the term is more in reference to aspects such as accuracy and clarity of communication rather than a judgement on whether or not information per se if of quality.  I&#039;ve always admired the ability of a Sun journalist to convey a story in 20-30 words (often much better &quot;quality&quot; of communications than pages on the same topic in a traditional broadsheet publication).   But fabrication and poor research is evidence to me of a lack of quality standards regardless of the nature of the media or the lifestyles of its readers/viewers/listeners.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don &#8211; interesting observation about the subjectivity of &#8220;quality&#8221;.  My use of the term is more in reference to aspects such as accuracy and clarity of communication rather than a judgement on whether or not information per se if of quality.  I&#8217;ve always admired the ability of a Sun journalist to convey a story in 20-30 words (often much better &#8220;quality&#8221; of communications than pages on the same topic in a traditional broadsheet publication).   But fabrication and poor research is evidence to me of a lack of quality standards regardless of the nature of the media or the lifestyles of its readers/viewers/listeners.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Berlusconi has begun to rationalise and theorise his &#8216;cucku&#8217; model of public relations by Heather Yaxley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heather Yaxley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Sep 2010 12:54:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Toni - interesting that you seem to admire the &quot;command and control&quot; method of PR that was evident in the early days of New Labour.  The appearance of using focus groups etc was classic two-way asymmetrical communications combined with mastery of press agentry especially when Mandelson was involved.  I feel the impact of this can be seen in the legacy of organisations (and many PR practitioners) believing that the media can be controlled and that PR is all about spin.  Of course, some of these practices predate New Labour and can be seen in organisations and other political parties these days.  Interesting how those in power seek to restrict access to public information throughout time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Toni &#8211; interesting that you seem to admire the &#8220;command and control&#8221; method of PR that was evident in the early days of New Labour.  The appearance of using focus groups etc was classic two-way asymmetrical communications combined with mastery of press agentry especially when Mandelson was involved.  I feel the impact of this can be seen in the legacy of organisations (and many PR practitioners) believing that the media can be controlled and that PR is all about spin.  Of course, some of these practices predate New Labour and can be seen in organisations and other political parties these days.  Interesting how those in power seek to restrict access to public information throughout time.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Berlusconi has begun to rationalise and theorise his &#8216;cucku&#8217; model of public relations by toni muzi falconi</title>
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		<dc:creator>toni muzi falconi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Sep 2010 07:15:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I apologise for not having been more explicit, and appreciate that an educator like yourself might be worried that some readers might have taken me seriously. 

Yet, in my country today, one either remains silent (but certainly we are not at the level of an Iran or what might be in South Africa if the proposed new press law becomes reality, or other less fortunate countries, in terms of freedom of expression) or is tempted to surf towards a farsical and caustic view of reality. We - or at least I... - seem to have  lost that right to a sentiment of indignation versus the format of our political (?) discourse.

As for Tony Blair, I do not agree at all that the Cool Britannia program was poor pr at the time it was acted. 
Above all, it was excellent politics, and began to produce negative externalities only after Peter Mandelson had left its helm... a classic situation where an organization loses its creativity and proceeds bureaucratically. A theme for another post, taking a critical look at institutionalization of pr....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I apologise for not having been more explicit, and appreciate that an educator like yourself might be worried that some readers might have taken me seriously. </p>
<p>Yet, in my country today, one either remains silent (but certainly we are not at the level of an Iran or what might be in South Africa if the proposed new press law becomes reality, or other less fortunate countries, in terms of freedom of expression) or is tempted to surf towards a farsical and caustic view of reality. We &#8211; or at least I&#8230; &#8211; seem to have  lost that right to a sentiment of indignation versus the format of our political (?) discourse.</p>
<p>As for Tony Blair, I do not agree at all that the Cool Britannia program was poor pr at the time it was acted.<br />
Above all, it was excellent politics, and began to produce negative externalities only after Peter Mandelson had left its helm&#8230; a classic situation where an organization loses its creativity and proceeds bureaucratically. A theme for another post, taking a critical look at institutionalization of pr&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Time for the truth about journalism by Don Radoli</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Radoli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Sep 2010 05:46:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a former journalist (who has moved to the darker side), I&#039;ve afterwards tried to argue that &quot;objectivity&quot;
was always a myth to the horror and dismay of my former colleagues.

Having said that, I&#039;ve the following question: What right has &quot;the elite&quot; to presuppose that quality content is what represents the desired norm? And isn&#039;t quality itself subjective? Consider the lifestyles of the readers of The Sun and The Economist? Have they the same &quot;quality&quot; standards?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a former journalist (who has moved to the darker side), I&#8217;ve afterwards tried to argue that &#8220;objectivity&#8221;<br />
was always a myth to the horror and dismay of my former colleagues.</p>
<p>Having said that, I&#8217;ve the following question: What right has &#8220;the elite&#8221; to presuppose that quality content is what represents the desired norm? And isn&#8217;t quality itself subjective? Consider the lifestyles of the readers of The Sun and The Economist? Have they the same &#8220;quality&#8221; standards?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Berlusconi has begun to rationalise and theorise his &#8216;cucku&#8217; model of public relations by Heather Yaxley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heather Yaxley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Sep 2010 16:25:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not sure if you are being tongue-in-cheek here or serous Toni, but please do not hold up Tony Blair to be admired, or welcomed to the PR world.  Apart from the undoubted damage caused to PR&#039;s reputation by the spin/control method of media relations that New Labour inflicted (let alone all the loss of life on all sides in Iraq and Afghanistan), there are many other reasons to keep a distance. 

Interestingly, if what Blair has written that you cite is true (and a lot of what is detailed as fact in the memoir is being criticised for being impossible eg timings relating to advice given to Princess Diana), then Blair praising Berlusconi for winning the London 2012 bid is an insult to the official professional public relations efforts (and vast amounts of money that has been spent).   

However, perhaps all political biographies would be best seen as an example of personal rhetoric reflecting press agentry communications as they seek to gain the headlines to sell more copies.   Or simply evidence of the rewriting of history in the style of the novel 1984.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not sure if you are being tongue-in-cheek here or serous Toni, but please do not hold up Tony Blair to be admired, or welcomed to the PR world.  Apart from the undoubted damage caused to PR&#8217;s reputation by the spin/control method of media relations that New Labour inflicted (let alone all the loss of life on all sides in Iraq and Afghanistan), there are many other reasons to keep a distance. </p>
<p>Interestingly, if what Blair has written that you cite is true (and a lot of what is detailed as fact in the memoir is being criticised for being impossible eg timings relating to advice given to Princess Diana), then Blair praising Berlusconi for winning the London 2012 bid is an insult to the official professional public relations efforts (and vast amounts of money that has been spent).   </p>
<p>However, perhaps all political biographies would be best seen as an example of personal rhetoric reflecting press agentry communications as they seek to gain the headlines to sell more copies.   Or simply evidence of the rewriting of history in the style of the novel 1984.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Time for the truth about journalism by Paul Seaman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Seaman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Sep 2010 11:13:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your excellent clarification. Of course, I agree with you that part of the solution is to demand more professionalism and to expose the bitchy nonsense that currently poses as an excuse for the lack of it. You are spot on.

As to the Edelman trust survey, I question the very notion that there has been a significant decline in trust in society (but also that there was ever great trust put in &quot;people like us&quot;). The whole issue needs redefinition. I have a major chapter in a book coming out later this month or early next which seeks to substantiate my viewpoint (I won&#039;t spoil it now).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your excellent clarification. Of course, I agree with you that part of the solution is to demand more professionalism and to expose the bitchy nonsense that currently poses as an excuse for the lack of it. You are spot on.</p>
<p>As to the Edelman trust survey, I question the very notion that there has been a significant decline in trust in society (but also that there was ever great trust put in &#8220;people like us&#8221;). The whole issue needs redefinition. I have a major chapter in a book coming out later this month or early next which seeks to substantiate my viewpoint (I won&#8217;t spoil it now).</p>
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		<title>Comment on Time for the truth about journalism by Heather Yaxley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heather Yaxley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Sep 2010 10:21:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Sean - the US experience seems to reflect that of the UK.  Would be interesting to hear views of others based in different parts of the world whether their media history and present reflects our perspectives.

Paul - I&#039;m not saying amateurs can replace professionals - although I believe &quot;amateur&quot; (meaning of lesser quality) is increasingly evident both online and in traditional media (regardless of whether it is generated by citizens, paid journalists, columnists, direct from PR materials, etc).   What I am advocating is more &quot;professionalism&quot; (by which I mean quality and standards) amongst those who claim the title of journalism (and come to that in public relations too).

It seems to me that &quot;traditional&quot; journalists who are frequently bemoaning their lot, blaming the influence of PR or criticising online material are not reflecting how they are different on the basis of being better at journalism.   Their &quot;amateur&quot; performance evidenced by a lack of fact checking, reproducing PR materials, focus on the trivial and so forth, does nothing to demonstrate the valuable role that journalism should play in modern society.

BTW, I love the way you keep citing the Edelman Trust study despite having previously criticised its methodology.  And there&#039;s a circular argument there, if online communications by the masses largely repeats what is written by others especially &quot;mainstream media&quot; - is the declining trust in such people like us because what they are saying is the same rubbish as most of the &quot;traditional&quot; media?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Sean &#8211; the US experience seems to reflect that of the UK.  Would be interesting to hear views of others based in different parts of the world whether their media history and present reflects our perspectives.</p>
<p>Paul &#8211; I&#8217;m not saying amateurs can replace professionals &#8211; although I believe &#8220;amateur&#8221; (meaning of lesser quality) is increasingly evident both online and in traditional media (regardless of whether it is generated by citizens, paid journalists, columnists, direct from PR materials, etc).   What I am advocating is more &#8220;professionalism&#8221; (by which I mean quality and standards) amongst those who claim the title of journalism (and come to that in public relations too).</p>
<p>It seems to me that &#8220;traditional&#8221; journalists who are frequently bemoaning their lot, blaming the influence of PR or criticising online material are not reflecting how they are different on the basis of being better at journalism.   Their &#8220;amateur&#8221; performance evidenced by a lack of fact checking, reproducing PR materials, focus on the trivial and so forth, does nothing to demonstrate the valuable role that journalism should play in modern society.</p>
<p>BTW, I love the way you keep citing the Edelman Trust study despite having previously criticised its methodology.  And there&#8217;s a circular argument there, if online communications by the masses largely repeats what is written by others especially &#8220;mainstream media&#8221; &#8211; is the declining trust in such people like us because what they are saying is the same rubbish as most of the &#8220;traditional&#8221; media?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Time for the truth about journalism by Paul seaman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul seaman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Sep 2010 07:46:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heather, you make some very valid points. Not least that in actual fact all journalism is (and always has been) opinion driven, right from the moment it decides which facts and stories to select. However if you are trying to say that amateurs can replace professionals, then I disagree with you wholeheartedly. Moreover, mass blogging is being supplanted by mass Twitter, which mainly just redistributes material produced by others (much of it from mainstream media). And the public it would seem - based on Edelman&#039;s trust survey results - is increasingly saying it is placing less and less trust in &quot;people like me&quot; (that is in social media, including the likes of Facebook mates). The time has come, I think, for firms and institutions to be much more robust in their dealings with the media of all sorts and also, in part, to become the media (social or otherwise). But the content has to be fair, professional, compelling and honest  - premised on the basis that there&#039;s nothing wrong with advocating self interest. My online review &quot;21st Century PR issues&quot; will be exploring this issue on Monday in the first of a series of articles focused on redefining how firms and other institutions should relate to the media.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heather, you make some very valid points. Not least that in actual fact all journalism is (and always has been) opinion driven, right from the moment it decides which facts and stories to select. However if you are trying to say that amateurs can replace professionals, then I disagree with you wholeheartedly. Moreover, mass blogging is being supplanted by mass Twitter, which mainly just redistributes material produced by others (much of it from mainstream media). And the public it would seem &#8211; based on Edelman&#8217;s trust survey results &#8211; is increasingly saying it is placing less and less trust in &#8220;people like me&#8221; (that is in social media, including the likes of Facebook mates). The time has come, I think, for firms and institutions to be much more robust in their dealings with the media of all sorts and also, in part, to become the media (social or otherwise). But the content has to be fair, professional, compelling and honest  &#8211; premised on the basis that there&#8217;s nothing wrong with advocating self interest. My online review &#8220;21st Century PR issues&#8221; will be exploring this issue on Monday in the first of a series of articles focused on redefining how firms and other institutions should relate to the media.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Time for the truth about journalism by Sean Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 20:43:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heather, a great and important post. Our friends in the putative Fourth Estate indeed do see themselves as holy warriors, advocates for the underdogs. It&#039;s what drew me to journalism in the first place -- and Watergate was my touchstone. 

Of late, I&#039;ve come to feel that this set of paladins of truth is a construct of a very narrow time -- the US&#039;s Murrow to Cronkite and Woodward/Bernstein.  The penny press had no &quot;journalistic integrity&quot; -- Hearst wanted to sell papers and make himself US President. Even objectivity as a goal is a myth -- no one can reasonably expect true objectivity from humans. 

We&#039;re in the age now of balance -- we have a multiplicity of sources, right, left and center; for profit and not, widely circulated and narrowly -- and it&#039;s up to all of us to make choices that address our personal likes and dislikes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heather, a great and important post. Our friends in the putative Fourth Estate indeed do see themselves as holy warriors, advocates for the underdogs. It&#8217;s what drew me to journalism in the first place &#8212; and Watergate was my touchstone. </p>
<p>Of late, I&#8217;ve come to feel that this set of paladins of truth is a construct of a very narrow time &#8212; the US&#8217;s Murrow to Cronkite and Woodward/Bernstein.  The penny press had no &#8220;journalistic integrity&#8221; &#8212; Hearst wanted to sell papers and make himself US President. Even objectivity as a goal is a myth &#8212; no one can reasonably expect true objectivity from humans. </p>
<p>We&#8217;re in the age now of balance &#8212; we have a multiplicity of sources, right, left and center; for profit and not, widely circulated and narrowly &#8212; and it&#8217;s up to all of us to make choices that address our personal likes and dislikes.</p>
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